By Chuck Beatty more
30 May 2006
There was an anonymous message
posting that Scn, Inc. attorney Helena Kobrin may be in
I received an email letter from Helena back in the
mid-90's. It addressed six lines of something Hubbard
wrote that were posted, and I responded to, including
the worrisome six lines in my response (as netiquette
This was the time that the first batch of Kobringrams
were sent out, calling us all "copyright terrorists" for
wanting to comment on some of the hinkier policies and
practices Hubbard dreamed up for his followers to pay
for. It was an attempt to shudder us into silence; one
of many that obviously has not worked.
I hope Helena's had time to form a plan for herself,
and get the hell out and somewhere safe. I hope they're
not holding the health of any of her relatives as
security for her good behavior.
I wonder if she knows where Marty Rathbun and Warren
McShane are, and I wonder if that knowledge is worrisome
to her. I hope she will get in touch with media and law
enforcement, such as Arnie suggested — going to the VP
of Legal at Washington Post, for instance. Or the FBI.
Hasn't this gone on long enough?
-maggie, human being
RE: Marty and Warren
Best would be Marty himself to come forward and speak up.
Warren McShane per blownforgood was still at
Int, back in
after a stint being busted temporarily to all-hands duties in
Gold. Warren per blownforgood was likely monitoring all the chat
sites, per the latest blownforgood knew.
The rumor that both are out,
blown, in EU supposedly, both
supposedly part of some "op" to "take the fall" somehow, just
seems unlikely to me.
DM has beaten up (light physical abuse) too many people who
HAVE gone public on the
XSO chat group about what they saw and
received, and those decades long trusted former Int staffers
aren't bullshitting. (Ex Sea Org staff should do themselves a
favor and get onto the XSO chat group:
DM will be instantly implicated in any "op" to scapegoat
Warren or Marty with the church's bad recent years' behavior.
Warren was "henchman" for DM, during the recent years petty
physical stuff, so my thoughts when I heard the rumor that
Marty and Warren were gonna "take the fall" was that the church
would try to pin the petty physical abuse on those two.
Too many people think far better of Marty than DM.
Dumping on Marty won't work. Warren it's unfortunate that he
stooped to the petty stuff.
It leads straight back to DM. People who have seen the
physical abuse done by DM could be called upon by authorities.
Enforced/leveraged retractions I don't think will work on
those who've spoken up in limited contexts. I don't think now
that the whole group of sympathetic ex Sea Org members that are
now developing as a group networked by the internet, will go
back to the old silenced mindset that was more easily enforced
in earlier years.
The public, the media are more savvy to the whole sad
disgraceful history of dirty laundry tactics of
The only way out, if I were church PR advising, is to lighten
up, on all fronts. Just knock off the disgraceful crap in all
Just knock it off, lighten up, give the top ranking people at
the top of the movement a LOT of slack, time off, liberties,
just lighten the hell out of the scene at the top.
DM should privately go around and apologize to those he's
slapped around. He should just bite the bullet.
Humility and apologizing, seeking forgiveness and making up
for the damaged lives, WOULD be the right thing to do. And it IS
the only path to gain any tiny amount of genuine respect.
Anyways, whoever has a line to Marty, please encourage him to
get onto the XSO chat group and share his opinions, and
hopefully get him to go public to media or authorities.
If I were Marty and out (meaning really out mentally also),
and Helena was in "doubt" about her Scn participation
activities, they'd make a fine pair to hook up and work together
I would imagine!
That could be a looming worst case scenario for whatever DM
has done that DM is wishing to keep under wraps.