By Mary McConnell more
7 December 2006
There are others. Many others. You just don't hear about them
all because people have been afraid to talk. I am not afraid
Dale Bogen was on the Introspection RD at American Saint
Hill in 1984 and apparently they thought she was safe enough to
go home but instead, she drove her car up the rode to the Los
Angeles Mountain area, got out of the car with the engine
running and stuck a rag in the exhaust pipe; she then got back
in the car, locked the doors and escaped the problem of having
to endure further degradation from her 'church' by letting the
carbon monoxide poison take her away from the pain and confusion
Scientology never knew how to help.
She was found in the morning.
Schaffner it's the one who informed me when I inquired months
later after returning from being out of town.
Bob, himself, died in a preventable accident but there are
other people who know about what happened to Dale Bogen and I
pray they come to their senses and contact me so the truth can
Scientology is composed of dangerous ideas resulting
DALE BOGEN Jan 06, 1952 - Nov 11, 1984
By Mary "Out Of The Dark"
25 June 2006
I've not seen anything mentioned at
anywhere on the internet about
Dale Bogen's suicide while she was on services at
ASHO back in Nov
1984. Does anyone remember her or the situation?
I was out of town for 2 months and when I came back I asked
around ASHO if any one had seen her. The D of P told me to speak
to the Dir I & R, Bobby Schaffner, who I knew pretty well. I
said," Bob, What's going on with Dale Bogen? The D of P told me
to ask you." He asked me to step in and close the door, which I
Now, my 1st thought was this: I knew that she was getting
auditing but I also knew she was a petition-approved
pc so I thought
maybe something changed on that and asked him. I knew he'd be
straight with me. "No, she was a pc" on a rundown that is
sometimes given to people who are overwhelmed and unable to
proceed in processing but she'd committed suicide after leaving
the org one night back in November (1984).
I was shocked. Here it was over a month later I did not know
how to respond. This was, for me, the 3rd unexpected death of a
scientologist in over 1 year. It was so unreal. I could not
imagine Dale doing something like that but then again, I did not
know every personal thing about her. I asked how she died and
how did he find out. He said the police contacted ASHO when they
found her because she had receipts and some books in the car.
He said she took her car way up the main road in the Los
Angeles Mountains, parked and plugged up the exhaust line with a
rag or something and then got back in the car and went to sleep
with the engine on. He knew nothing else.
I put my 'KSW
hat' on and I asked him if he made sure her folders got to Qual
for rev and correction. He said "yes", but we both knew at that
time that nothing was predictable and 'what was supposed to be
and what actually happened were often 2 different things' . We
just looked at each other and I could tell he was not the happy
Bob I'd all come to know in the past. He looked so tired. We
chatted for a few minutes about other things and I left.
I finished up my cycles in Los Angeles and returned home
shortly thereafter, seemingly blocking the whole thing out until
I got news that Bobby had died after he'd struck a truck with
his motorcycle on June 05, 1987.
I never got the courage to follow up, after that, until now.
This is the first time I have talked about Dale's suicide to
anyone. Thank you to all those who are making it easier for
ex-members to come out and speak up but most thanks to Mr.
Creed Pearson, for
writing the truth in your letter to
ED INT. You see,
I've stepped out of the shadows because it inspired and
strengthened me to hold firm my faith in God and speak up today
to show my support in getting the truth out.
I have no animosity against anyone in or out of scientology.
Some of the most wonderful and intelligent people have fallen
prey to it's trap. I will be writing more in the future, and I
will be asking about these people and hoping that what I say
can reach them or be of help to someone else.