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City of Clearwater Commission Hearing: The Church of ScientologyDay 4, Edward Walters more
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easel a document —
all right. We'll put into evidence the outline of the organization. And if
Mr. Walters could come forward — he's still under oath — to simply explain
to the Commission what the outline of the organization is and precisely
where, at this point, for instance, Mitchell Hermann would fit in with
regard to Flag.
MR. LeCHER: What is that chart, again, that you have, Mr. Flynn or Mr. Walters? What are you showing us? EDWARD WALTERS, a witness herein, having previously been duly sworn by a Clerk for the City of Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows: MR. WALTERS: Right here is the organization, the top of the organization for the Guardian's Office. MR. LeCHER: Why don't you go over it with your pointer. MR. WALTERS: All right. It starts at the top with L. Ron Hubbard; he's listed as Commodore and Founder. Below him is the CSGs, Commodore's Staff Guardians, CF 6, there are seven divisions: that's Mary Sue Hubbard, by the way. Now, I'll go down this way, first. Right below her is Guardian Worldwide, which is England, Jane Kember. She has been the Guardian for — since the inception. It's a lifetime appointment, which is interesting, because she just got sentenced and she's in jail. MR. CALDERBANK: Do they still have these posts? MR. WALTERS: Yes, they do. And your headquarters now is in Clearwater. MR. CALDERBANK: So, convicted felons are serving on an administrative hierarchy chart? MR. WALTERS: No. These eleven that got indicted — MR. CALDERBANK: Convicted? MR. WALTERS: — convicted were in Scientology until they were put in jail. People who have been trained by them have replaced them and are here in Clearwater. All right. Below Jane Kember is your divisions for Worldwide Divisions. Information, which is really intelligence, is Mo Budlong. He's the name you saw in a lot of those documents. Anything done in Clearwater — and you'll see correspondence, the FBI has it, I've seen it — is in correspondence between Mo Budlong and Clearwater concerning operations. David Gaiman, Legal, just what it says; Finance is Herbie Parkhouse. This man here probably knows more about the financial structure of Scientology. You will not see him on the RPF. Now — it should be David Gaiman; is says Sheila Gaiman. Social Coordination is David Gaiman's wife. David was — oh, you've got David over here for PR. David handled all Public Relations Worldwide, and his wife handled the Social Coordinations. And these divisions, by the way, are the same throughout the world, throughout the United States. For example, in Las Vegas, Information was Chuck Reese; I told you about it. Oh, okay. But I just want to make a point — MR. FLYNN: Kevin, put that back up. MR. WALTERS: — that this organization you see here is the same everywhere; the structure is exactly the same: L. Ron Hubbard's here, Mary Sue, it goes down. And then in your orgs. you have the exact same positions. So, to familiarize you with Clearwater, so you can understand your Clearwater operation, in Clearwater, you will have a Director of Information, you'll have a Director of PR, which, I believe, is — no, I think he's out. MR. CALDERBANK: Will you give us also — MR. LeCHER: I heard he's doing missionary work. MR. WALTERS: Yes. I'll tell you who's here. MR. FLYNN: I think it's — Wilhere. MR. FLYNN: — Wilhere. MR. WALTERS: Yeah, Wilhere. MR. CALDERBANK: Okay. Will you connect those people with testimony that we‘ve had before, such as Director of Information — he was the person — MR. WALTERS: All right. Director of Information is involved in all the codified and overt intelligence operations for collecting information on enemies of the Church. So, in Clearwater, I would say, and I say it under oath, that the Director of Information in Clearwater has the files on all of you people. The Director of Public Relations is here in Clearwater; you have a Legal Bureau here in Clearwater; you have Finance here in Clearwater; you'll also have Social Coordination: that directs WISE, [Narconon], et cetera. They will not tell you it's run by the Guardian's Office, but I'll guarantee you it is. All right. Going back to the Worldwide organization, below them you have your Deputy Guardians. Deputy Guardian in the US, that was in Los Angeles; it was Henning Heldt. He was indicted and is in jail at the moment. Below him was Duke Snider; he was his assistant. Then, again, you have Information/Intelligence — MR. LeCHER: Not the baseball player? MR. WALTERS: No, no, no, no. This is another Duke Snider. Information in the United States; then you have PR for the United States, which was Artie Maren, who, when I was in, used to be sent here to handle quite a few things. Legal, Mary Rezzonico; Finance Mary Heldt, which is the wife of Henning Heldt. You'll notice that it's a very close-knit organization. Director of Social Coordination is a good friend of mine, Laurie Zurin, who, I will say — it should get her in a lot of trouble — she's going to be out and appearing some day. MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. Walters — MR. WALTERS: She's a good girl. MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. Walters — MR. WALTERS: Yes. MR. SHOEMAKER: — the — just for clarification, now, the top row that you went through there, which was the Worldwide — MR. WALTERS: Right. — Guardian's — MR. WALTERS: That's in England. MR. SHOEMAKER: — Office, that's in Clearwater? MR. WALTERS: No. That — this — the one I'm showing you is England. MR. SHOEMAKER: Is in England. MR. WALTERS: In England. The Worldwide is officially at East Grinstead, England. MR. SHOEMAKER: Okay. Now — MR. WALTERS: But here's the thing: You see, this man up here runs the operation. MR. SHOEMAKER: Right. MR. WALTERS: All right. An intelligence agent can't do anything unless it runs through the thing to L. Ron Hubbard. So, the real base of operations is where he is, and the connection to him is through Clearwater. MR. SHOEMAKER: Now, that's located in England. Now, the United States section that you just went through, is that still in Los Angeles now? MR. WALTERS: Information is in Los Angeles; US is still — Artie's in Los Angeles; Mary's in Los Angeles; Heldt is in Los Angeles; Laurie Zurin is still in Los Angeles. But that's — that is an organization point of view; the operations are still run out of Clearwater — MR. SHOEMAKER: Right. MR. WALTERS: — as the senior Flag of all of them. As you know, the guy up here — these people are all in England, the United States. This man cannot be found. So, there are operatives that work through him wherever he is — is where they run. And my best knowledge is that the operation is from Clearwater directly to him, because I can give you a bit of information — is it okay to say it? MR. FLYNN: You're — yeah, you're under oath. MR. WALTERS: All right. I don't know — they have just — this is what I hear from insiders. Insiders tell me Mr. Hubbard is very harsh when things do not go right. Apparently, the Guardian's Office was supposed to stop you people from this trial — these hearings. They did not stop you. A lot of them have just been sacked. He has brought in his young crew of CMO, Commodore Messengers Org. These are all the young kids that have, been trained by him since they're thirteen years old. They are now going to put Ethics in on Clearwater. MR. BERFIELD: Question: Is this the same group that one of the witnesses the other day referred to as almost in terms of the Gestapo? MR. WALTERS: That's right. These young kids are starey-eyed, devoted to Hubbard, and mayors and people like you will not scare them. MR. CALDERBANK: Another witness already mentioned that these CMO people have had so little contact with the outside world, they don't recognize governmental agencies or policies or laws. And these people, according to hearsay, now are in charge of the entire operation. Can you comment to that? MR. WALTERS: Yeah. I know some of them; they started on the ship. They've had no outside schooling at all. They know these policies inside out; they can quote them verbatim. They've been trained by Hubbard. They are tough little cookies, I'll tell you. MR. LeCHER: What does Ethics mean on Clearwater? MR. WALTERS: Ethics means that, apparently, there are attacks — they look at this open hearing as an open attack, and Ethics will be to come and clean this up. MR. LeCHER: Explain this a little better, "clean this up." MR. WALTERS: Well, that means that — I'll tell you exactly what — MR. LeCHER: What will happen? MR. WALTERS: All right. This is what'll happen: This division over here will go through all the files that they have, covert and overt on you, and find out what they can use. This division will start a campaign written up to make it look like a beautiful church. This division will sue all of you individually, collectively, and probably the City of Clearwater. MR. LeCHER: They've done that already. MRS. GARVEY: They've already done that. MR. WALTERS: They have? MRS. GARVEY: Yes. MR. WALTERS: The Finance Bureau will have to do whatever they can to make sure the records are safe. The Social Coordination Bureau will have to set up things that show that [Narconon], et cetera, are not part of Scientology. You mean, Sammy the Seagull, Gerus Society, [Narconon] will be on call to help the publicity throughout Clearwater? MR. WALTERS: Yes. MR. CALDERBANK: The PR will — MR. WALTERS: It will be a massive campaign set here. MR. CALDERBANK: It's in operation — MR. WALTERS: Oh, it's in operation already? Now, if you want to know what — I know that some of this stuff sounds like I'm trying to make up things, you know. Here is an actual document marked "Secret," concerning Clearwater. It's an operation done by Deputy — Deputy Deputy Guardian US. It says here that "Duke" — Duke Snider, you saw his name on the other board — "you asked for a chart for enemy lines used up to this point for Clearwater attack after research of the files was done." This is the files they have on you people. "Attach this chart; it looks complete to me. From this, I see the areas of priority to infiltrate are" — MRS. GARVEY: The Saint Petersburg Times. MR. WALTERS: — "Saint Petersburg Times, Mayor" — MR. CALDERBANK: Gabe Cazares. — "Channel 13 TV, Bruce Snyder" — is there a Snyder here? MRS. GARVEY: He‘s a radio — MR. LeCHER: He's a radio personality. MR. WALTERS: Has he been handled? Is he still around? MRS. GARVEY: No. MR. WALTERS: "Florida Attorney General's Office, Florida State Attorney General Russell. "As things have been quite hectic with the first few days, I wanted to send you this to go over. Any change or additions you want to add would be okay." I would suggest they've probably added quite a few now. MR. FLYNN: For the record, that — this exhibit on the easel is part of one of the hundreds of documents in an exhibit which will be entitled "Scientology Operations in Clearwater," of which we have made a copy for each of the Commissioners. And that's just one of the documents. That's not Operation Normandy to which I referred. That's just a piece of correspondence about a particular operation. Operation Normandy, which you'll see right at the front of your exhibit, lays out all the areas of infiltration. This particular — at this particular time and date, they put that down as a priority. MRS. GARVEY: This is dated 1976. MR. FLYNN: That's correct. MR. BERFIELD: I have one more question — MR. WALTERS: Yes, sir. MR. BERFIELD: — it'll be a loaded one. In your opinion, if this new guard comes in, how would you define them? MR. WALTERS: As young, tough, highly trained, elite, totally dedicated to Scientology. MR. BERFIELD: Rational? MR. WALTERS: Well, not — not rational or sane in our sense. But do not underestimate their cleverness and dedication to duty. MR. CALDERBANK: Mr. Walters, we've heard evidence that shows that policy is still being adhered to. Is that what leads you to believe that this type of thing is happening in the city today? MR. WALTERS: Oh, yes. You see, one of the key words for me and a tech person is "prediction." See, the Guardian's Office gives prediction to an area. You must know what your enemy is going to do. By keeping files on you people and on the city, they can predict what you're going to do. In fact, the whole Guardian's Office Information is — that's their goal; it's called prediction. And if you fellows ever do anything that they did not expect, that Hubbard gets surprise at, then, most of the fellows here get their heads slapped. MR. LeCHER: Are you saying that local government is in danger? MR. WALTERS: To Scientology? Of course it is. MR. LeCHER: Because — yeah — MR. WALTERS: Yes. MR. LeCHER: — we are in danger? MR. WALTERS: Yes. MR. LeCHER: To whatever the young and elite may do? MR. WALTERS: I would not be surprised if you have some new secretaries coming in looking for jobs or have had in the past. Because Hubbard is not fooling around. MR. LeCHER: Okay. MR. FLYNN: Why don't you just describe what — where Hermann's position is. Where is it? MR. WALTERS: Oh, okay. All right, Mitch Hermann here — you're familiar with him; he's had a lot to do with Clearwater things. He's in the Guardian's Office, handling the Southeastern Section. I see there's an assistant — MRS. GARVEY: That's Mike Cooper that — MR. WALTERS: Yeah. Anyway, this shows he's directly on the Intelligence/Information line, and he's well known. I mean, there's no doubt who he is to anybody that's in Scientology. MR. LeCHER: Okay. We have another witness. Ladies and gentlemen, we have two more witnesses. MR. FLYNN: What I think I'll do at this time — I don't know what the Commission — how late the Commission intends to go. There are some documents that I think need to be shown in order to put some of the issues of — or one of the issues in perspective, which kind of translates into a lot of the other issues in front of the Commission. It's particularly important because of the fact that there are auditing files of thousands of individuals sitting over in the Fort Harrison. All of the people that came here to this city thought that they would be confidential, and, as you know, one of the fundamental issues before the Commission is that one particular consideration. So, I'm going to put into evidence at this point some of the — just a few of the documents that were seized by the FBI with regard to auditing information. And I again caution you that this is simply a sampling. Very quickly this is a project that the entire exhibit will show regarding — Mary Sue Hubbard, regarding the using of the files, as operating targets: "To make use of all files in the organization to effect a major target. These include the personnel files, Ethics files, dead files, central files, training files, processing files, requests for refunds." It's simply one of their programs with regard to one of the files to give you an idea of the program. This is — you'll note the date 27 September ‘76; this pertains to one individual who they were checking out for whatever reason. "Donna's auditing files start in July 1963 at Saint Kill, United Kingdom, where she was on the" — some type of briefing course, Mr. Walters would know. "She was being run on GR 6 processing at that time. During this auditing, she worked with rock slam" — RS means rock slam, which, basically, means to substantially fail a security check, where the needle on the Meter slams against the side, which means you've got a very serious withhold or a very serious condition that has to be looked into — "on Jane Kember, LRH, Herbie Parkhouse, and Fred Hare." What that means is she was asked questions and security checked about Kember, Hubbard, Parkhouse, and Hare. And it immediately became very significant because she rock slammed on that particular part of the security check. "Donna has been in Scientology since at least 1952; she attended the Doctor's course in Philadelphia at that time. While at the PDC, she was promiscuous; she slept with four or five men during the course, two of them on the org. premises. She has quite a record of promiscuity in these early years. With three male PCs, she let them touch her genitals during sessions because they got into sexingness. She has masturbated regularly since she was eight years old. Mentions doing it with coffee grounds, doesn't say how, and once had a puppy lick her." As you can see, the whole thing goes through. And it's just to give you an indication of the type of information that's being used and — MR. GREENE: Read number three, Mike. MR. FLYNN: And in three, you'll see an "Enemy Formula Writeup" done at ASHO, that's the American Saint Hill Organization. "She mentions leaving her husband, Mo, in May 1952, but she does not give his last name. There is no mention of it in our files. She was also married to Bill Fisk, who was shot while she was on the" — that briefing course — "at Saint Hill. Bill had been sleeping with Phoebe Hjelm and Helaine Grimes, now Simmons, before he got shot for sleeping with a student at Seattle Org. Donna had agreed that he could sleep around while she was away. Donna denied him sex even when she was with him and would masturbate to satisfy herself." Yeah, there's another indication there that they were also using the Ethics files. And you'll note the date, 27th September ‘76, when the Church was in this city and Mr. Mayor Cazares was trying to find out who they were. There is a succession of these documents; there are hundreds of them. That's an example. We'll put a number of them into evidence, but it will give you an idea. MRS. GARVEY: Is it all the same flavor in all of them? MR. FLYNN: They're all basically the same flavor; some have crimes, some have sex, some have drugs, some involve specific operations to blackmail: how they're going to do it, extort, some of them are against news people, some of them are against news reporters who tried to conduct investigations that worked where the news reporters dropped their investigations; the Scientology investigations disclosed extramarital affairs, whatever. MR. LeCHER: All right. You have told that they may — you or Mr. Walters. I wonder about the newsmen that are covering this event. Do you think they should take special care themselves? MR. FLYNN: I would say that, you know, they're on, as Mr. Walters would describe, they're on the PR end, and they've just been getting hit with heavy PR day in and day out. Probably, for the last three or four months, every other hour, someone has been going down to the Clearwater Sun and the Saint Pete Times, Clearwater Station, and just hitting the reporters constantly with PR. They sent out that booklet in Clearwater, "The Way to Happiness," you know, the — MRS. GARVEY: He meant from the other side, the harassment side. MR. LeCHER: I mean harassment. We may all be able to indicate a few things that we suspect, but I wonder about the reporters, they may have to be on their guard, too. MR. FLYNN: It depends whether they're cooperating or not. MR. CALDERBANK: Dianetics — MR. FLYNN: If they still pose a threat, then, they would go, as Mr. Walters and as many witnesses have testified, they go to the next level of operation. If they still pose a threat, they go to the next level of operation. MR. CALDERBANK: Mr. Flynn, how would you characterize, say — Austin, Texas was mentioned by Mr. Mayer. And there is an article in one of the newspapers today about Austin, Texas having a — what is it — MR. FLYNN: Proclamation. MR. CALDERBANK: — Proclamation, proclaiming how great Dianetics was. Now this appeared in the paper. Is this an example of reporters and the heavy PR that they are fed day in and day out? How can something like that occur? MR. FLYNN: You can draw your own inferences from the evidence based on policy. The — it significantly appeared next to the Clearwater the article about Scientology in today's paper. You can draw your own significant — your own inferences from the evidence that you've heard to this point. MR. LeCHER: I believe I owe their mayor a letter. |