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Q.
You gained that information through either
Emma or--
 
A.
I think it was from Emma, very honestly. She
would, from time to time, inform me of things like
that.
Q. So in your circle of responsibility here, you
don’t have contact with Mr. Kartuzinski?
 
A.
I worked in a division where he also worked.
Q.
Okay.
A.
We were not in the same department.
Q.
Okay.
A.
He was not my supervisor. I was not his.
Q.
Okay. So you did not assist him in any way
really?
 
A.
Not particularly. He -- if he needed or if
anyone needed someone to assist on a public matter, if
it was
—- I mean, sometimes I knew about it. Very
usually I did not, but sometimes I did.
 
Q.
Were you aware that Mr. Kartuzinski was the
senior for Lisa -— Lisa Mcpherson’s senior? Were you
aware of that?
 
A.
That he was the supervisor ——
Q.
Right.
A.
—— of her? Yes, I was. I mean, he, for his
job position, was for any person that was there,

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