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you know, her family couldn’t visit her and that Lisa
was acting strange and couldn’t make decisions for
herself.
 
A.
Right.
Q.
So, apparently, for 18 days somebody there at
the church was making decisions. If you had —— as kind
of a co-supervisor there, if you had to pick, it would
have been Alairt Kartuzinski making the decisions?
 
A.
Yes.
Q.
Okay. Now, I just want to talk to you briefly about -- does Janice Johnson still work for
you?
A.
No.
Q.
Okay. All right. So you’re into training for the public?
A.
Uh-huh.
Q.
So she would be into training for the staff?
A.
Yeah.
Q.
Okay. Now, this is just an outsider’s view of the church. I looked at Alain Kartuzinski, who at the time
was a senior case supervisor.
A.
That’s right.
Q.
I read an article in one of the magazines, I think it’s Source or one of those, about Alain Kartuzinski, and after reading the article, it seemed
 
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