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view, moving from a position where I’m responsible
for ——
 
Q.
More people?
A.
-- 14 staff members as opposed to 90 staff
members is definitely a step in responsibility up,
which that was.
 
Q.
I would agree with that.
A.
Right.
Q.
Okay. Going back to -- to Lisa, did you know
Lisa before any of this thing went on with the church?
Have you ever - -
 
A.
No.
Q.
—- met her before?
A.
I’ve never met her nor seen her.
Q.
Okay. Your name came up in some of our
interviews, and I think the area that it came up in is
I think you were assisting Mr. Kartuzinski at that
time. Is that true or not true?
 
A.
Not true.
Q.
Not true. . Well, let’s go ahead and get how
you first came in contact with Lisa.
 
A.
Sure.
Q.
If you would tell us how you came in contact
with her.
 
A.
My first contact with anything regarding Lisa
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