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Kartuzinski was involved by virtue of the fact that he
wanted to make sure that she was well rested and so
forth.

Paul Kellerhals would have been to do with security
involvement on the matter.

conversations, did you all have a plan, like who was
going to take a shift, who were the people who were
gonna stand outside the door and the people that were
standing outside the door, what were their duties and
responsibilities? Did you guys formulate a plan? Was
there a conversation about that?

the best of my knowledge -- remember this -- he --
there were two new people coming into the security
force. One was a guy called Sam Ghiora and the other
one was called Alfonso Barcenas. Alfonso, he met with
Paul Kellerhals, and I don’t know what they talked
about, but he was one of the people involved. And then
Sam Ghiora I talked to after having talked to Paul
Kellerhals and what the instructions would be and so

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