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me being a sergeant, next week I’m a patrolman. That’s
one step down. And everyone I look at that had any type
of dealings or control with Lisa has received a demotion.

Now, in your opinion that’s -- those aren’t
demotions, is that - - was that your testimony?

a demotion.

Alain, he was removed by a Com. F. But I don’t
know -- I don’t know about the Com. F to say whether it
was regarding Lisa’s cycle or something else.

And my post was done away with, and I replaced
someone who went to do another post.

There’s a lot of reorg. that gets done, because
one thing we do in the Church is we continuously evaluate
how we’re doing, and we will adjust things to increase our
production, increase the amount of service that we do.

the article was done on Alain Karduzinski. And I’m not
sure when it was done, but it was a pretty big article.
In fact, I had two copies, one in English and one in
German.

And in reading the article, it -- it really, to
me, as an outsider of the Church, it really came off as
Alain Karduzinski as being a very big deal in this Church,
as a senior case supervisor.