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He has changed residences, occupations, and even his name in 1972 to Ron DeWolf to escape what he alleges to be the retribu- tion and wrath of his father and his father's organization-- the Church of Scientology. His father. L. Ron Hubbard, Sr., founder and leader of Scientology, has been a figure of controversy and mystery, as has been his organization for more than a generation. Its detractors have called it the "granddaddy" and the worst of all the religious cults that have sprung up over the last generation. Its advocates-- and there are thousands--swear that the church is the ave- nue for human perfection and happiness. Millions of words have been written for and against Scientology. Just what is the truth? L. Ron Hubbard, Sr., and the very few who have worked at the highest echelons of the organization have never spo- ken publicly about the workings and finances of the Church of Scientology. Firsthand allegations about coercion, black- mail, and just how billions of dollars the organization is said to possess have been accrued and spent is lacking; that is, until very recently. In an extraordinary petition brought No- vember 10, 1982, in Superior Court in Riverside, Calif., by L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., to prove that his father is dead and that his heirs should receive the tens of millions of dollars being dissipated from his estate, some of the mystery about Scientology has begun to unravel. Some of the details are shocking. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., is a survivor. His appearance on earth, May 7, 1934. was the result of failed abortion rituals by his father, and Ron, after only six and a half months in the womb and at 2.2 pounds, entered the world. His mother. Margaret ("Polly") Grubb was to have one more child, Catherine May, before her husband ditched her in 1946 to enter into a bigamous marriage with Sarah Northrup. A half sister, Alexis Valerie, survived that union. Soon after that, the founder of Scientology married Mary Sue Whipp. the current Mrs. L. Ron Hubbard, Sr., who at this writing is serv- ing four years in federal prison for stealing government doc- uments. There were four children: Diana and Quintin, who died under mysterious circumstances in 1976; Arthur, who has been missing for several years; and Suzette. Ron Jr. says that he remembers much of his childhood. He claims to recall, at six years, a vivid scene of his father performing an abortion ritual on his mother with a coat hanger. He remembers that when he was ten years old, his father, in an attempt to get his son in tune with his black- magic worship, laced the young Hubbard's bubble gum with phenobarbital. Drugs were an important part of Ron Jr.'s growing up, as his father believed that they were the best way to get closer to Satan--the Antichrist of black magic. --' Ron Jr. also recalls a hard-drinking, drug-abusing father who would mistreat his mother and other women, but who, when under the influence, would delight in telling his son all of his exploits. Finally, Ron Jr. remembers his father as a "broke science-fiction writer" who espoused that the road to riches and glory lay in selling religion to the masses. Nineteen fifty was a watershed year for the sixteen-year- old Ron Jr., when his father's book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health was published. While in the 1980s self-help books hold little novelty, Dianetics was a pioneer of that genre. Happiness in 1950 could be a reality, if only one practiced the strange amalgam of science fiction and psychoanalysis offered In the senior Hubbard's best-seller. It was an unexpected success for Hubbard, then living in New Jersey, when the mailman would deliver daily sacks of letters from the unhappy and desperate who had read the book and wanted L. Ron Hubbard to take them to the prom- ised land. It was a dream come true--a science-fiction writ- er who not only created a world of fantasy but packaged it and sold it as reality. PHOTOGRAPH BY JOHN MUTH (Part of the document appears to be missing. The text commenses again mid-sentence, apparently the end of a quotation from the writings of Hubbard, Sr.) show me a professor and I revert back to the fifties; I just kick him in the head, eat him for breakfast. Penthouse: Did it attract young people as much as cults today? Hubbard: Yes. We attracted quite a few hippies but we tried to stay away from them, because they didn't have any mon- ey. Penthouse: A poor man can't be a Scien- lologist? Hubbard: No, oh no. Penthouse: What do you think of the great popularity of cults in this country? Hubbard: I think they're very dangerous and destructive. I don't think that anyone should think for you. And that's exactly what cults do. All cults, including Scientol- ogy, say, "I am your mind, I am your brain. I've done all the work for you. I've laid the path open for you. All you have to do is turn your mind off and walk down the path I have created." Well, I have learned that there's great strength in diversity, that a clamorous discussion or debate is very healthy and should be encouraged. That's why I like our political setup in the United States: simply because you can fight and argue and jump up and down and shout and scream and have all kinds of view- points, regardless of how wrongheaded or ridiculous they might be. People here don't have to give up their right to perceive things the way they believe. Scientology and all the other cults are one-dimension- al, and we live in a three-dimensional world. Culls are as dangerous as drugs They commit the highest crime: the rape of the soul. Penthouse: You mentioned mat Scientol- ogy attracted a great many well-known or important people. Can you give us some examples? Hubbard: Two of the people we were in- volved with in the late fifties in England were Errol Flynn and a man who was high up in the Labor Party at the time. My father and Errol Flynn were very sim- ilar. They were only interested in money, sex, booze, and drugs. At that time, in the late fifties, Flynn was pretty much of a burned-out hulk. But he was involved in smuggling deals with my father: gold from the Mediterranean, and some drugs-- mostly cocaine. They were both just a little larger than life. I had to admire my father from one standpoint. As I've said, he was a down- and-out, broke science-fiction writer, and then he writes one book of science fiction and convinces the world it's true. He sells it to millions of people and gets billions of dollars and everyone thinks he's some sort of deity. He was really bigger than life. Flynn was like that, too. You could say many negative things about the two of them, but they did as they pleased and lived as they pleased. It was always fun to sit there at dinner and listen to these two guys rap. Wild people. Errol Flynn was like my falher also in that he would do anything for money. He would take anything to bed--boys, girls Fifty-year-old women, ten-year-old boys. Flynn and my father had insatiable appe- tites. Tons of mistresses. They lived very high on the hog. Penthouse: And what about this Labor Party official? Hubbard: He was a double agent for the KGB and for the British intelligence agen- cy MI5. He was also a raging homosexual. He wanted my father to use his black- magic, soul-cracking brainwashing tech- niques on young boys. He wanled these boys as his own sexual slaves. He wanted to use my father's techniques to crack people's heads open because he was very influential in and around the British government--plus he was selling informa- tion to the Russians. And so was my fa- ther. Penthouse: Your father was selling infor- mation to the Soviets? Hubbard: Yes. That's where my father got the money to buy St. Hill Manor in East Grinstead, Sussex, which is the English headquarters of Scientology today. Penthouse: What information did your fa- ther have to sell the Soviet government? Hubbard: He didn't do any spying himself. What he normally did was allow these strange little people to go into the offices and into his home at odd hours of the night. He told me that he was allowing the KGB to go through our files, and that he was charging 40,000 pounds for it. This was the money he used for the purchase of St. Hill Manor. Penthouse: Do you know any specific in- formation that the KGB got from your fa- ther thal might have been harmful to security? Hubbard: The plans for an infrared heat seeking missile in the early fifties. They obtained the information by extensive au- diting of the guy who was one of the head engineers. There were great infiltrations, clear to this day. There has always been an inordinate interest on the part of Scien- tology in military and government person- nel. There's no way for me to prove it sitting here, but I believe that the KGB trained East German agents who came via Denmark to London to the United States who were, supposedly, Scientologists. They made very good Scientologists. They were very well trained. Penthouse: Did your father do this just for money? Hubbard: Yes. The more he made, the more he wanted. He became greedy. He was really just interested in the use of money and power, wherever it was or whosoever's it was. Morality and politics made no difference to him at all Penthouse: Did the Labor Party official get any of his young men via Scientology? Hubbard: Yes. The British were ripe for Scientology, The British school system fosters lesbianism and homosexuality, be- cause from the time you're born until you're in your twenties, all you see is the same sex. The schools are so segregated. And you'll notice in Scienlology the focus (The text end mid-sentence.) ================================================================= If this is a copyrighted work, you are acknowledging by receipt of this document from FACTNet that on the basis of reasonable investigation, you have not been to obtain a copy elsewhere at a fair price, and that you are and will abide by the following copyright warning. WARNING CONCERNING COPYRIGHT RESTRICTIONS: The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) governs the making of photo copies or other reproductions of copyrighted material. Under certain conditions specified by law, libraries and archives are authorized to furnish a photocopy or other reproduction. 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